Parenting Beyond Belief

We wrote this section to help with the questions children often ask about god. We really hope this section answers questions your children might ask and we are definitely open to new answers.

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Q. "Jimmy`s parents believe in God and he says that if I don`t believe in God I will go to hell!"
A. "Well Son, Jimmy's parents believe in their god because they were born here in this country. Did you know that if Jimmy’s parents were born in Mexico just 400 years ago, they would have believed in the god "Huitzilopochtli" instead of the one they believe in now? Remember, babies do not believe in god; only when they are older do they believe what their parents do, based upon what country and what century they were born in. Next time Jimmy says something, why don't you ask him to do a rain dance so his god can make it rain? Or ask him if he has proof that his parents’ god is the real god instead of the god who the kids believe in, in Japan.

Q. Do you have proof that there is no god?
A. No I don't. And I also do not have proof that there are no unicorns or that my refrigerator cannot fly when I am sleeping. Do you have proof that there are unicorns or that my fridge can fly?

Q. How can you not see god in everything that happens?
A. Because I can only see evolution. Everything you claim your god made without evidence, I can actually back up with scientific evidence.

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Comments: 36

  • #1

    Guinevere (Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:21)

    Asked by my mother-in-law: What will he say when kids ask him if he believes in God? (IMO this is not hugely important - kids ask all kinds of inappropriate stuff of each other and then move on - but still, she sees "No" as a serious social hindrance for him.)

  • #2

    Coryn (Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:04)

    I tell my kids I don't believe in god but if you think it makes sense and it feels right in your heart then you can believe in whatever you want. I want you to use your thinking powers first and see if it makes sense to believe that first ok? Then we talk about ways that we prove that things are real; ie we can touch it, taste it, hear it, etc. We talk about why people might want to believe in god and that the world can sometimes be scary but that we don't need to make up pretend things for it to be ok. It's ok to be scared or unsure or not have an answer to things.

  • #3

    suzann (Thursday, 04 October 2012 00:44)

    I tell my kids to be good for goodness sake. That its just the right thing to do.

  • #4

    Jenn (Monday, 05 November 2012 17:33)

    My in-laws are devout Catholics and my husband is not practicing anymore. When we eat dinner with them and my husband's brother's family, they always insist on praying before dinner. They always talk about Jesus. What do we do when our son (currently 15 months) starts asking questions and why mommy doesn't move her hands and pray like the others? Please advise. I always have problems with comebacks!

  • #5

    Angel (Friday, 09 November 2012 01:29)

    My entire family, both mine and my husband's sides are Christians. When they pray before dinner, I just bow my head as a sign of respect for their religion. I don't pray, nor do I even say "Amen" after the "blessing", but I don't go bashing their religion while we're eating, either. They have a respect about our "choices" and we do of theirs. I firmly believe if you teach your child about respecting another's beliefs then, he/she will grow up and understand that the whole world isn't as bad a place as "they" would like you to believe.

  • #6

    Gymnast's Mom (Saturday, 10 November 2012 22:05)

    Please advise on how best to address my sweet First Grader. She just told me that there must be a god because she says the Pledge of Allegiance every day at school. She went on to say if you believe in god, then you should pray. UGH!! I am at a loss. My parents and sisters, whom she spends a lot of time with, are agnostic or atheist. We live in the bible belt, however. But with her public school obviously teaching her that god is the anwer to all, what am I to do??

  • #7

    MO Atheist (Thursday, 20 December 2012 03:27)

    I teach in a public school and I say the Pledge of Allegiance every day as well. But I skip the line about god. Not one kid has ever said anything. As for my own child, who is about the same age as yours, I would just say that the line was added years ago since so many people believed in god. She can say it or not say it and still pledge allegiance.

  • #8

    Sarah (Friday, 28 December 2012 02:03)

    My husband and I are both atheists, and his family is Christian, and very opinionated/judgmental. Recently we all had a conversation, and they all said that we should not celebrate Christmas. it was a very heated debate. Needless to say we celebrated and let them know that if we feel judged then we do not want to spend time with them. Its a shame that some people cannot accept differences.

  • #9

    Thomas (Saturday, 05 January 2013 18:38)

    My wife and I are atheists, and we celebrate Christmas with our semi-religious families. My wife's favorite holiday has always been Christmas, so I've taken to celebrating 'Sir Isaac Newton Day,' because Dec. 25th was ACTUALLY his birthday and he was in incredible historical figure. I think that's a great way to give your kids an excuse to celebrate the holiday without having to even mention Jesus (we just found out on New Year's Eve that we're going to have a baby at the end of August, so it's been on our minds a lot!).

  • #10

    Cathy (Tuesday, 08 January 2013 00:10)

    Are there any resources for people who wish to teach their children to think for themselves and RESPECT the beliefs of others? It seems like all the suggested answers on this website are smartass retorts and are designed to antagonize rather than teach. I want to teach my kids how to get along with people who believe differently, not to insult them.

  • #11

    Lisa (Tuesday, 12 February 2013 20:03)

    I agree with Cathy. I wouldn't ever say this to my child: "Everything you claim your god made without evidence, I can actually back up with scientific evidence." I would think that the child is only asking questions, not claiming that his god did anything.

    I wish to teach my children tolerance, and I'm looking to those resources as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  • #12

    bcdaurelle (Thursday, 14 March 2013 05:37)

    Cathy and Lisa, don't confuse unabashed critical thinking with intolerance or smart-assery. A kid of seven or eight raised without religion will be as receptive to the teapot example, in seriousness, as he would be to hearing about Jesus in other circumstances. Just because this arguement comes across as snarky when used by adults, one should not assume that it is an inherently disrespectul or flawed arguement. If you temper your attempts to teach your child critical thinking with a disproportionate emphasis on not offending believers, he or she will probably miss the point. You can't teach a questioning seven-year-old to ask critical questions about everything he/she wants to believe about the world and in the same breath tell them that this attitude can't be applied to anything someone else chooses to believe. Your priorities should be teaching a child to think critically first, then teaching about how and why one should (or, occasionally, should not) be respectful of believers' opinions. If you do a good job with the first one, the second one should come much more naturally.

  • #13

    Jessica (Monday, 22 April 2013 07:45)

    I will guide my children. I will show them the path to curiosity. Encourage them to question their surroundings. After all, we can't find results unless we first make an inquiry. Don't forget about Newton and the inquisition. Put to Death because of a discovery made, and a big one at that! If we don't allow children to think, thinking may become illegal.

  • #14

    ADMIN (Friday, 03 May 2013 07:14)

    Go away tac

  • #15

    Howler Monkey (Wednesday, 08 May 2013 09:35)

    This method of raising a child is just as damaging as the fundamentalist religious way of raising a child. Id leave my children to make up their own minds give them both sides of the argument even though i'm christian. I was raised this way i had one side of the family being christian and another being Atheist( i only turned christian at the age of 26).After all that really leads to critical thinking. Definition of Critical Thinking:

    Good critical thinking is skillful and responsible thinking in which you study the problem from all angles, and then exercise your best judgment to draw conclusions.

    I feel we need opposing views. What will you do one day if your child turns Christian or Muslim or what ever? If it was my kids i would still accept them and just not bring up religion.

  • #16

    ADMIN (Lance) (Monday, 20 May 2013 16:42)

    @Howler Monkey: Obviously you are not a good critical thinker using any form of judgment to draw a conclusion at all. Think about it, you are a christian, which means you think that the teaching of Christ were somehow a moral compass for your life. We as atheist do not think that your "son of god's" view on extortion is anyway to live a moral life. What happens to those of us who do not beleive in your god? What happens to those of us who do not except Jesus as our saviour and instead choose science (according to your bible)? That is right we burn in hell. So, if we do not do X, Y will happen to us... that is extortion... and that is seriously screwed up! Trust me, my children understand science and understand fairy tales, this is not a question of you beleive and we don't therefore we have opposing views, you are not even on the same playing field with us. We do not believe in unicorns and refuse to think that it is "just" an opposing view that we have that there are no unicorns. Something was missing in your life, that is the only reason you thought you needed to fill the gap with fairy tales. My life is complete, I have a great wife, 2 wonderful kids, and a super career. I don't need fairy tales to make my life any better and either do most atheists. You see we atheists are living the dream, we are not hoping for something better, if we want to make a difference, if we want to change things, we do them, we take action, we don't wait for some imaginary creature to help us, we take things into our own hands and do something. Having your child become a christian after 26 years means you were not an atheist it means you were a "whogivesashitest" and trust me, I care and that is why my kids will never believe in your religions fairy tales about the son of god because they understand critical thinking but in a true scientific meaning.

  • #17

    Etienne (Tuesday, 28 May 2013 21:29)

    What i find difficult is telling my kids God don't exist while they are still of the age where Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy is real for them. Not sure how to get past this. Critical thinking is still a way off for them. Telling them that when we die we are dead while Christianity have a very luxurious heaven waiting for dead people doesn't seem fair. Can someone help?

  • #18

    ADMIN (Lance) (Wednesday, 29 May 2013 08:36)

    Etienne: There is a giant difference between Santa, the Tooth Fairy and heaven. Questions like "where do babies come from?" or "why is that kid in a wheel chair?" and "what happens when we die?" need to be answered in an easy to understand, logical, fact of the matter, unemotional way. Yes, most religions do have it good with their afterlife and if you study religion you will see each religion just tries to do better then the next. If you are Christian you have to tell your kids there is a heaven, if you are a Budhist, you tell them they come back as a bird or a worm, if you are Mormon, you get a planet to rule over, as a Muslim you get to drink alcohole finally, and as a scientologist... well let’s just face it, those guys are really strange! Being a parent means you have hard decisions to make all the time, and not just about heaven. My next door neighbors are homosexuals (and good friends), and trust me, being an atheist explaining that is much easier then being a Christian. Keep Christmas and easter, they are both just pegan holidays stollen by the christians anyway. I am pretty sure you are not going to continue to keep telling your kids santa and the tooth fairy are real after a certain age are you not? But where you go when you die, and why is that kid in a wheel chair, are not things we need to make stories about, but that is just my opinion.

  • #19

    sbc (Friday, 02 August 2013 17:49)

    I have had to explain heaven to my child who lost is grandmother when he was three. I tell him to close his eyes and think about her. When he has her clearly in his head, I tell him that is heaven - that place where he thinks about her - for him we've linked heaven to the memories he has of her. Its worked for us and gets around a lot of difficult questions!

  • #20

    Conteur (Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:05)

    We are teaching our children the myths of "active" religions right alongside the myths of former religions. Odysseus, Fenrir, Gilgamesh, Moses, Santa, Lac Long Quan, Jesus, Muhammad, Nangkwak, Buddha, etc, etc, etc. I want my kids to be knowledgeable, and that includes knowledge of the world's fairy tales. Teach them all side-by-side, spend time with your kids helping them to make up their own stories to see how it's done, and they'll be hard pressed not to get the picture.

  • #21

    Nick (Friday, 06 December 2013 07:02)

    This admin is quite opinionated and a great reason why people believe atheists to be know-it-alls. You are no more right than the christian on your left or the muslim on your right. You are merely choosing whether or not you believe in something. Even your "unicorn" defense can't get by the fact that atheism isn't an objective truth. Look at it like this, "All I know is that I know nothing." The quote is by Socrates and he makes a good argument about not believing you know something when you really don't. Only a fool claims to have the answers of life, the universe, and death. Don't be a fool.

  • #22

    Kim (Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:11)

    I'm looking for help to try to explain to my 5yr. old boy that there is no proof that he will ever see his dad again. ( And I feel like an asshole for doing so!) I'm not sure who decided to tell my child that there was a heaven and that he will see his daddy there again, but if I did.... Anyone have some good ideas for how to brake a small boys heart?

  • #23

    Lance Gregorchuk (Friday, 17 January 2014 15:22)

    @ Kim: Tell him papa lives in his memories and keep telling him stories about his father, what a great man he was, what a great father and husband. Tell your son every great thing about him and tell him often. Tell him about the mistakes he made and how he fixed them, tell him how brave he was, let him live inside the memories of your child, you won't break his heart, you will mend it.

    LG

  • #24

    ER (Monday, 27 January 2014 23:04)

    Yikes, your hypothetical answers to children are really harsh and arrogant. Atheism isn't about the arrogance of truth, but the peace of having truth. With these answers, you are belittling Christians the way they belittle us, which overshadows the valuable points you are trying to make. Bringing in unicorns and flying refrigerators ad ridiculum only makes you look petty. There HAS to be better, logical, rational, and most of all respectful way to answer those questions for children. Save the sarcasm for when they're teenagers.

  • #25

    TL (Wednesday, 05 February 2014 08:32)

    I'm having. Problems with others teaching my 5 yr old son about God. He came home today saying that God made everything in this world. I told him no that's not true. I need some advice. I want my children to be respectful of others beliefs but understand that we are here because of evolution and science proves it. Any ideas?

  • #26

    Lance Gregorchuk (Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:40)

    @ ER: Antitheists are not arrogant about knowing the truth, the truth is the truth, based upon facts. Scientists are not arrogant around those who think gravity is just a theory, or that the sun revolves around the earth, or that there is a magic man in the sky. Unfortunately one needs to argue absurdity with absurdity. @ TL when children say that god made everything then ask the who made that table? they will know it is a person, then ask them where the wood comes from etc. Break it down for them, they will see there is god with his magic hand involved.

    LG

  • #27

    Collins (Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:41)

    Question: How do you guys view determinism? It is a very touchy subject with me. I have nothing to lose by accepting it, but it just does not make sense to me! I've thought about it a LOT and my boyfriend and I disagree on it a bit, but nothing upsetting. (I used to be super christian, like STRICT, and then I came to realize that the thing I loved and talked to every day was just myself and all of the rules I was being manipulated to believe and follow were enforced by those who agree with them most, AKA white, heterosexual males) Anyways, my boyfriend was atheist from the get-go (I didn't know until we were together for two months, and that's when we broke up because it was exhausting and we always debated and it wasn't fair for him to feel second to god and it wasn't fair for me to feel I needed to choose... that's when i went crazy christian and almost got baptized, thank god i didnt. lol) anyways, now we are both extremely more open-minded, and happier than ever and have been together for 2 years!

    Sorry for the back story. Anyways, I am extremely passionate about feeling as though I am not determined. What determines determinism? What is truth, then? Because two people are determined to come to the same conclusion, does that make it right? If things are determined, what is subjectivity? what is OBJECTIVITY? Does anyone really know? Am I just determined to disagree with determinism, until someone who is special enough to be "rightfully" determined can affect my determining factors, revealing the truth of determinism to me? How does ANY interaction take place? No blame, no punishment... no praise or "hard work paying off" ? I can't possibly imagine a life like that! So when I tell my boyfriend I love him, it's not because I wanted to say it? I was going to anyway, right? I am not trying to mock, it just really bugs me.

    I know there is plenty I do not understand. I want to. Even with a pedophile... his "instinct" to love a child results in the detrimental effect of the child. Can he be blamed? No. However, our "judicial system" needs to train him and PREVENT this from happening again. How can ANYONE prevent something like that to happen? Doesn't that require some sort of plan? A DETERMINED plan? What if no one was determined to "fix" the "problem"... would a pedophile's actions be considered non-detrimental?

    I'm so confused and exhausted. My boyfriend is a big fan of Sam Harris, and he believes in determinism, but doesn't want to. He always asks "is it better to be right or happy?" as if you can't have both.

    I don't like being told I HAVE to believe something that does not make sense to me. (not that he does, I'm just giving my view)
    Right now, determinism doesn't.

  • #28

    Stephen (Tuesday, 04 March 2014 06:26)

    I too have a hard time with snarky remarks as retorts or to be used as answers to my kids questions. My 5 & 7 year old daughters still believe in Santa. Kids have a lifetime, if their lucky, to become familiar with the harsh realities of life. I need some real ammo here with out scaring the shit out of my kids. I gotta wonder if some of the people giving advice here actually have kids. My 7 year old before going to bed tonight is saying she is scared she is going to die and is asking what is going to happen. What do I say to that? At 7 years old at 9pm before bed I'm not looking to smack her in the face with the harsh realities of things. I want to ease her mind and want her to sleep well and easily and not worry that she is going to slip away into the vast nothingness. I was raised Catholic and believed in Santa. I'm not emotionally scarred from the experience. In fact, the fellowship that the church community brought is something I think my kids are missing out on. Can someone please give some sound advice here that isn't a harsh bitch slap to the face of a 5 and 7 year old? And if someone says that the harsh approach is the way to go I am not on board with that. I'm looking for scripted responses that deal with these issues that don't scare the crap out of them. I almost feel like lying to them and telling them the stories and then dealing with it when they are old enough to handle it. I grew up seeing Crucifixes everywhere. My daughters have never seen one. I wouldn't know what the hell to say about such a violet depiction. They have never seen something that graphic.

  • #29

    Lance Gregorchuk (Friday, 07 March 2014 17:02)

    Look, I know that for some of you it may not be easy dealing with the fact that telling kids there is no heaven, or no hell for that matter, may not be easy simply because you are not looking forward to have your child ask difficult questions which you need to answer. What will you say when your child asks “is Santa real”? Will you put off the truth? Will you tell them the truth right away? Will you take the path of least resistance? What will you answer when your child says “what happens when you die”? Did anyone ever see “The Lion King”? Elton John sang it best… and told the truth! The song wasn’t called “It’s easier to lie”!

    I have 2 wonderful, funny, sporty, smart, and 100 other things children, an 8 year old boy and 6 year old daughter, and yes we talk about gods and religion, life and death, heaven and hell, as well as the insanity of religion and my kids understand what happens when you die, but they also understand what it means to live… to live this one life that you have, they understand that you help other people because it is the right thing to do and not because someone is watching you and has some kind of score board. I have, and am raising good atheist children. Sometimes at night we pull out the telescope and look at the stars, they understand light speed, distance and seasons. They can identify planets, stars and zodiac signs (get the free app “droid sky view” it is so amazing) and know that the earth can not be 6000 years old! We go to museums (our favourite is the Neanderthal Museum) and they understand where we come from, how old the earth is and why whales swim in the ocean!

    Yes, my kids can debate theists and YES, we do have fun when the JW’s come to the door. Imagine someone showing up at your door claiming that there are unicorns, or that the “jack and the bean stock” story is true, what would you do?

    Atheist raise great kids because we tell the truth!

  • #30

    LG (Sunday, 09 March 2014 09:02)

    Here is a great article about talking to kids about death:

    http://groundedparents.com/2014/03/06/explaining-death-to-kids-atheist-style/#comments

    LG

  • #31

    Adrienne (Monday, 14 April 2014 01:35)

    I'm sorry, but this Lance guy sounds like a real moron! I'm not religious by any means (I'd say I'm more agnostic than atheist) & have every intention of allowing my son to think for himself... But this site is a joke!! I stumbled upon it while researching secular homeschooling info & this site is like a train wreck that you just can't stop watching. I know plenty of atheists who could give a much more intellectually derived argument as to why they believe in evolution & not creationism. Sorry Lance, but your misspelled words, poor grammar, & your constant repetition about unicorns, extortion, & sexism in every single nook & cranny of this page is really quite humorous, & I actually feel embarrassed for you. At least come up with a better argument or more articulate way of presenting said argument. It honestly sounds like you know nothing about the topic... Like you read one article & use this small bit of info to your defense over & over again. This website is FAR from being a helpful, informative, smart resource, for atheist parents looking for advice on explaining things to their children. Atheist/agnostic readers beware!!! There are definitely better sites out there than this one! This site was clearly constructed by a hypocritical, simple-minded, & smart ass know-it-all, who really can't even present a good argument for atheism, other than like, the 2 or 3 poorly presented points he has brought up in every part of the page. Seriously, I really thought this page was a joke... Like someone TRYING to be funny. Do yourself a favor & find a more credible site than this one!! Also, for those who are interested (for atheists, agnostics, & Christians alike), the book, "The Case for Christ" is really interesting, & can be for anyone of any belief/religion/non-religion. I believe the author is Lee Strobel?? If you search the title you will definitely find it! It was a best seller!

  • #32

    Lance Gregorchuk (Tuesday, 15 April 2014 10:09)

    Adrienne thank you for your comments, but I think you calling someone a Moron negates any creditability you may have received in this forum. Yet, let’s get to your points: First of all I am horrible at spelling and grammar, I admit that, my editor is amazed that I keep spelling “believe” wrong, but it doesn’t make me a Moron and I think my book “Born Again Atheist” my speeches at the Sceptic’s in Europe, and the fact that I debate clergy in several languages in my spare time, does qualify me to an opinion and here is my opinion of you and your comments:
    You come to an internet site dedicated to Atheist Parenting and decide to leave comments like we should read a book called “The Case for Christ”? And then pretend to guess at the author’s name when you could have googled it right away? (Hmmmmm????) First of all there is no evidence for Christ outside the bible, and this author’s journey from Atheism to Faith was a pathetic attempt to sell books to the Christians, who are the kind of people who buy such books. If my next book was called “Born Again after Being an Atheist” those of faith would eat it up.
    This Christ guy NEVER existed, he was made up and the only evidence outside the bible was Plinny the younger and Josephus. Josephus was an obvious fake and has been proven to be one and I beg you simply to read the passage from Plinny. The Romans who documented absolutely everything never wrote a word about this guy. The Gospels contradict themselves on every page, they can’t even make up their mind as to where he was born, and if he was born to a virgin, two of the guys writing about this forgot to mention it. There was no roman census, it didn’t happen and if it did, not a single person wrote about it or mentioned it. Imagine millions of people going home with everything they own because the romans want to collect taxes and not a single person outside the bible mentions this? I could go on forever, but you are correct, writing about unicorns just gets to my point a lot faster.
    Now, the book you recommend to us is full of what we call non-evidence, you cannot use a book written by people hundreds of years after the fact as evidence that that book is historically correct, that argument is pathetic and to call yourself an agnostic for me means that you might believe that story of Noah’s Ark if you just had a some Hollywood producer make a film about it (maybe you’re in luck).
    Oh Adrienne, we have seen people like you here a lot, you come in pretending to be something you are not and then try and promote something to us through the backdoor. An atheist who picks up a book which says “Join him as he retraces his journey from skepticism to faith.” Laughs out loud. There were no miracles and he didn’t rise from the dead like the author claims he “may” have.
    If you are interested I would gladly debate you openly on line and we would record it and then we could see who knows their stuff and who doesn’t, but I’m sure we won’t hear from you again.
    Lance

  • #33

    Jennifer (Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:04)

    I'm Christian and stumbled upon this through a Google search for a total different type of question about my child. Anyway, I honestly didn't plan on leaving a comment since this has nothing to do with me or what I was looking for, BUT I just have to say that I'm glad I haven't been questioning my belief in God because you Lance sir would have totally caused me to stop questioning it because at least Christians have love and respect for one another. At least Apostolic's do anyway. And we don't believe in Christmas either, which raises a question why in the world are you so against lying about a fat creepy man breaking into your home, and a rabbit pooping eggs, but not a love filled God that gives promise of a better afterlife. And even if your way is correct, how can you justify teaching about Santa and the Easter bunny but not letting someone believe that the afterlife is Heaven, at least die with peace and hope. Oh and I can't stand the Easter bunny, it's as stupid as Santa, and Jesus was not born on December 25th it was months earlier.

    Sorry, my main point here is that you Lance are not selling atheism very well with your sour attitude!

    And don't you even think about being ugly to me because I am a child of God and he does not take well to those that wrong his children, just saying!

    Let's be nicer to each other here no matter what our belief is we are ALL just human! And to err is human :) Love you all and wish you the best of luck in this life.

    Be glad there's no such thing as reincarnation lol.... Most of us would come back as Dung Beetles!! ;)

  • #34

    Lance Gregorchuk (Friday, 02 May 2014 19:05)

    @Jennifer, I love it when you Christians threaten us atheists

    "And don't you even think about being ugly to me because I am a child of God and he does not take well to those that wrong his children, just saying!"

    Really, what kind of punishment will I get for being "ugly" to you? Burn in hell forever? Cancer? Death? We should be nice to each other, but you are allowed to threaten me with the wrath of your god. Spoken like a true Christian.

    Let's get to your points though. There was no Jesus, there is no proof outside of the bible that this god of yours even existed and please don's bring up Josephus or Pliny The Younger. You can't use a book to prove that same book is true. What proof do you have that your god was born a few months earlier? Did you know only 2 of the gospels even mention his birth? You need to start questioning your faith and stop living in North Korea, there is no god, no reincarnation, underwear cannot help you decide between right and wrong and you have waisted your entire life praying to an easter bunny.

    LG

  • #35

    Just me (Thursday, 11 September 2014 04:32)

    I happened upon this website as research for a Mom's group. Our next topic is "raising Christians in a Secular World." And as a "critical thinker" I'm looking at all aspects (the good, the bad and the ugly) from parents with different beliefs then mine.

    Lance, I wonder if you've ever considered the Bible as a historical document. I wonder if you've ever read it or done research about where the stories come from, who wrote them, etc.

    It's big, it's complicated. I suggest taking an hour or two and watching A Case for Christ. I'm sure your local library will have it. It's interesting, logical, and may (or may not) support your beliefs.

    Always good to learn more so you can better argue your point of view.

    This is an interesting website

  • #36

    Lance Gregorchuk (Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:19)

    Hi and thanks for your comment
    ,
    For me it is an oxymoron to call someone a “critical thinker” and a “Christian”; it’s like calling someone a “married bachelor”.

    Nevertheless, the bible is not a historical document, there are some historical truths in it, but most of it is just fairy tales. I have read the bible from cover to cover and that is the reason I am an atheist. Anyone who reads the bible from cover to cover would be too. Don’t just read the parts you think have a message of love, read it all, then read the Qur’an, it’s even worse, and dont get me even started on the book of mormon, sure in those books there are few good lessons to learn like don’t kill (well at least don’t kill unless your god tells you to do so), and then... let’s see, what other good things come from religion, or those books??? I got nothing…oh wait, you are about to say charity, helping those in need! You don’t think atheists do that? Or people who never heard of your god who live on the islands in the pacific? You think it is a Christian thing? Something “Cheezus” invented?

    Critical thinking requires people to think critically, and not just critically about things you already think are true. Anyone would make fun of someone who was “critically thinking” about how unicorns can fly. Yet when it comes to “gawd" and miracles from "cheezus” your critical thinking is “how miracles happen”?

    There is no evidence outside of the bible that Jesus even existed, which historically, and as a critical thinker, you must find strange. The 2 references you may google to argue with me are “Pliny the Younger” and “Josephus”, I don’t need to go into why they are fakes here but the fact is that the Romans wrote everything down, and I mean everything, not a single person, other than those 2, ever made a reference to the fables in the bible. For example the roman census, it did not happen. I wrote a chapter about it in my book, Meaning: Mary and Joseph never went to Bethlehem, no three wise men, no baby cheezus, no star in the north, and isn’t it funny when you read M.M.L.J. that only 2 of them even mention the virgin birth and the other 2 contradict each other massively?

    I have an idea.... which I know you and your study group will not take… we will do a skype date, anytime you want. I will answer any of your questions and I will be nice and respectful, you can ask question and I will answer then, we both know you won’t do it though because you only want to “critically think” about things you already accept as true.

    If you really are a critical thinker, then you need other points of view, invite your priest or “leader” of your cult or whatever you want to call the person who thinks they know everything which is promised to you in the next life, as long as you do what he/she says in this one, to ask me questions, and I will ask you questions... and we will think, and not pray for answers.

    Oh and thanks for the film tip, yes I did watch it and destroyed it in my blog, preaching to the choir is so easy isn’t it? Come on…take my challenge. My skype mail is salesmasters2, and this challenge goes out to anyone who would like to discuss the fact that that there are no gods.

    LG

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